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“Where are Adam and Eve?”

“Where are Adam and Eve?”

FEBRUARY 12, 2021

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Steve Brown:
Where are Adam and Eve? I’m gonna to tell ya’ on Key Life.

Matthew Porter:
Welcome to Key Life. Our host and teacher is Steve Brown. He’s no guru, but he does have honest answers to honest questions about the Bible. God’s grace changes everything, how it love, work, live, lead, marry, parent, evangelize, purchase and worship. So here’s Steve and Pete Alwinson from ForgeBibleStudy.com with street smart Bible teaching for real life.

Steve Brown:
Thank you Matthew. Hi Pete.

Pete Alwinson:
That’s pretty definitive.

Steve Brown:
Well, we answer a lot. We’re as honest as we can be, by the way, with these questions. And sometimes honesty requires saying I don’t have the foggiest. I don’t know, but we’re going to see if we can find out an answer to that question. And other questions. Pete comes in, every Friday and has done that for a lot of years. And we answer some of the thousands of questions we get from you guys. And we love Pete, by the way, check out ForgeTruth.com and you’ll rise up and call me blessed, for telling you about it. If you have a question and something bothering you, just pick up the phone, call 1-800-KEY-LIFE and record your question. Sometimes we put your voice on the air. Or you can write to

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Pete Alwinson:
Alright. Alright. Our great God, as we come to you at the end of this week, we honor and praise your name, Father, thank you, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, that we can come into your presence as your people. And know that we’re not condemned, because Jesus was condemned for us, that we are loved because Jesus came to show your love, that we have a new identity, a new purpose, a new character, a new confidence, and a new way to live, that leaves a legacy for other people. Thank you for all that the gospel of our Lord and savior Jesus does for us. You know our needs and Lord, sometimes we just don’t appropriate all that is ours in Christ. Be with us as we struggle with our fears, our frustrations, our anxieties, we give you the need for jobs and health and relationships being restored. Lord, we need you in every way. And so we pray that you would meet our needs as we’d run back and embrace you. Father, be with Key Life, but also we pray that you would be with our preachers and teachers this weekend, our priests, leaders, worship directors, all those that will be in front of your people, bringing us into the presence of the living god, may it be a powerful time. We commit them. And this time of Q&A to you now. In Jesus name. Amen.

Steve Brown:
Amen. Hey, Pete let’s first go to our phone lines.

Caller 1:
Is Adam and Eve going to burn in hell or were they saved on credit?

Steve Brown:
Yeah, that’s interesting. I don’t know if I’ve ever had that question before.

Pete Alwinson:
Yeah.

Steve Brown:
Are Adam and Eve lost? Or are they saved?

Pete Alwinson:
Well, what do you think he means saved on credit?

Steve Brown:
I don’t know?

Pete Alwinson:
Well, you know, maybe he simply means looking ahead at the coming work of Christ?

Steve Brown:
Well, that’s how, that’s how people in the old covenant are saved.

Pete Alwinson:
Yeah. Yeah.

Steve Brown:
By their faith, which is accounted as righteousness and the blood of Christ is applied to them.

Pete Alwinson:
Yeah.

Steve Brown:
And they’re in heaven. You, when we were talking about this, you gave some indication that maybe, we could say that you’ll get a chance to meet them when you get to heaven.

Pete Alwinson:
You know, I kinda think we will, you know, the whole idea of the, of the, they were, they were clothed with animal skins that maybe as some theologians emphasize, probably was a result of a sacrifice. It seems as though their sacrifice probably, prefigured the sacrifices to come. So it may well be, and you know, they were so, they walked with God in the garden and, and, and if their repentance was real, which I think it was.

Steve Brown:
Yeah. That’ll do it for you when you’re kicked out of the garden.

Pete Alwinson:
Oh my goodness. So, I would say they’re so close to the beginning, now later, that yeah, they were regenerated. I think their in heaven, we’re going to see them,

Steve Brown:
I agree with that.

Pete Alwinson:
We’ll find out. When we get there, you and I let’s, let’s meet around, let’s get him and say Adam, what were you thinking?

Steve Brown:
Yeah. What were you thinking?

Pete Alwinson:
Come on, dude.

Steve Brown:
You messed this thing up for all of us.

Pete Alwinson:
Oh man.

Steve Brown:
You, you shouldn’t be here. You should be burning someplace.

Pete Alwinson:
I tell that to all the guys I speak to you. I says, we’re going to have thousands of guys gathered around it, I said, we’re not going to mess him up. We’re just going to get around and have a little talk.

Steve Brown:
Say, what are you thinking? Um, Uh, why do you have, well, maybe we answered this. Why do you have a problem with people saying at funerals, well done, good and faithful servant?

Pete Alwinson:
Yeah. I mean, you know, you, you were concerned about that. We talked about it a little bit, but what do you think, Steve?

Steve Brown:
Well, I think what you do, if you’re not very careful, you take that parable out of context.

Pete Alwinson:
Yeah.

Steve Brown:
It was a parable about risk and about religious leaders who refused to risk anything for the sake of people. And if you turn that around and talk about God saying, well done, good and faithful servant. You’re building on a works salvation theme. You’re in heaven because you did good. And if you hadn’t been good, you wouldn’t be here. And that violates everything that the Christian faith says about the gospel. And besides, you know, when you use that, I understand, and I’ve done it a thousand times myself, but when you do it, the people in the congregation who are sinners, and that would be, a hundred percent,

Pete Alwinson:
Yeah.

Steve Brown:
begin to think like, I can’t be this as good as he was.

Pete Alwinson:
Yeah. Right, right, right, right.

Steve Brown:
Therefore I can’t go to heaven.

Pete Alwinson:
I mean, you’re so right, at a funeral, an average funeral, we make the deceased out to be the fourth member of the Trinity.

Steve Brown:
I know.

Pete Alwinson:
And nobody. I mean, some people can believe, Hey, was he really that good? Was she really that good? You know.

Steve Brown:
I tell students, when you do funerals, don’t have anybody wanting to come up and check the coffin, to see if that’s, what you say about that person, better be true and people all to get.

Pete Alwinson:
Yeah.

Steve Brown:
It doesn’t mean, it doesn’t mean that you just rag on them and talk about all their bad stuff. But you got a chance to preach the gospel.

Pete Alwinson:
Absolutely.

Steve Brown:
And say, if this person were here to talk to you today, they would say, don’t you make me into a Saint.

Pete Alwinson:
That’s right.

Steve Brown:
I’ve got stuff that’s really dark, just like you do. And I’m saved in the same way, you must be saved and that’s leaning on Jesus period.

Pete Alwinson:
That’s right. Good, good stuff man.

Steve Brown:
So, that’s the reason I have a problem with it.

Pete Alwinson:
Yeah.

Steve Brown:
It’s bad exegesis, and it’s bad compassion. It robs people of the gospel.

Pete Alwinson:
There you go.

Steve Brown:
This is it. I’m going to let you answer this. Any advice for studying the Bible? I want to go deeper in the word and teach others to go deeper.

Pete Alwinson:
Leviticus is the place to start, right there. I mean, just jump in, seriously, my wife is teaching a ladies group through Leviticus right now. So, she comes dragging out of the study. You know, it’s a challenge. You know, at some point you got to read the Bible through Genesis to Revelation. Right? But, if you’ve got to study the Bible, get a good study Bible, like the ESV study Bible, the NIV study Bible, and look at those footnotes and then read a gospel, and then pick one of the gospels and then read into the New Testament, is a good place to start. Start reading some of those letters, is not a bad place to start.

Steve Brown:
No, and it’s, and don’t expect it to happen overnight.

Pete Alwinson:
Yeah.

Steve Brown:
It, you and I have been doing this our whole lives and we still, there’s so much that we don’t get and where to learning. So, it’s a lifelong process with, and if you want to teach others to go deeper, then as Pete said, pick a book and go deeper and get a, buy a commentary as well as a study Bible, learn everything there is to know about that particular book and then tell people in your church, I’m going to be teaching on the gospel of John. If you want to come, we’ll talk about it.

Pete Alwinson:
Right.

Steve Brown:
And see what God does. If nobody comes, you weren’t called to do that.

Pete Alwinson:
Well, that’s a whole lot better, your advice than reading Carl Barth’s Church Dogmatics, right?, in German.

Steve Brown:
Exactly. I have followed your teaching on grace, but what is your view after one is saved by grace. What is the Christian responsibility now as a child of God?

Pete Alwinson:
Well, they set you up didn’t they?

Steve Brown:
Well, I think there’s a problem with the way the, what’s your responsibility, and all of a sudden, you know, you’re back on the treadmill and there’s certain things. And, so, don’t know if I’d put it that way, though I know what you’re talking about. I think something happens. You know, before I was saved, I didn’t give a rip about pleasing God. I really didn’t. I didn’t want to, I was perfectly happy with the way I was. And then when Jesus found me, he changed something. All of a sudden, I really liked him a lot. And I liked my wife a lot and I liked pleasing her. And I liked God a lot, because all he’s done and I want to please him too. And I don’t do it out of responsibility. I really don’t. I wish I could do it more. And if I knew how I would,

Pete Alwinson:
Yeah.

Steve Brown:
but there’s no responsibility there.

Pete Alwinson:
I love that. And, and that’s generally speaking the way we think, so

Steve Brown:
Yeah, we do.

Pete Alwinson:
I would say if you want to use the word responsibility, check me on this and see if I’m heretical, I would say your responsibility is to keep preaching the gospel to yourself, because that’s the energizing power that continues to fuel transformation in every way.

Steve Brown:
That’s right. Absolutely. And that’s not lessening the importance of transformation.

Pete Alwinson:
Right. No.

Steve Brown:
I mean, the Bible’s clear about that. We’re just telling you how to get there.

Pete Alwinson:
That’s right. That’s right. That’s right.

Steve Brown:
It’s how I became a spiritual giant.

Pete Alwinson:
That’s exactly right. I love it.

Steve Brown:
You know, we don’t have time for another question, but we got enough time if you want to sing or something.

Pete Alwinson:
Yeah. That would, that would just drive everybody away. Can’t carry a tune in a bucket, man.

Steve Brown:
Hey, by the way, we really do like your questions and we love just sitting around talking about them. And you guys are really thoughtful and we appreciate your bringing it up. And it helps others who have the same question, got to go. Key Life is listener supported production of Key Life. Network.

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